tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post210908772128457118..comments2023-09-30T10:53:50.373-04:00Comments on Two Natures: Why Now?Arimatheanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-57825983678238547082007-02-21T13:38:00.000-05:002007-02-21T13:38:00.000-05:00Ecclesiology is important, yet I've almost never f...Ecclesiology is important, yet I've almost never found people in church willing to hash out such subjects. They flee if you bring up questions. I expect fewer than 20% of congregants give it much depth of thought. Not surprising when one considers the bell curve of G.<BR/><BR/>I expect, all said and done, the true faith may be more expressed by deacons, rather than theologians.<BR/>WHNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-757951286587920472007-02-04T01:32:00.000-05:002007-02-04T01:32:00.000-05:00Albion - I think you understood me correctly. I fi...Albion - I think you understood me correctly. I find the Continuing churches attractive in nearly every way except their non-catholic ecclesiology – but when it comes to choosing a church ecclesiology is not a trivial consideration.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-58366234602951697932007-02-03T02:58:00.000-05:002007-02-03T02:58:00.000-05:00"If I thought that sort of divergence were conduci..."If I thought that sort of divergence were conducive to the practice of catholic Anglicanism I would have joined one of the so-called Continuing Churches long ago. But, in fact, I think it is incompatible with catholic ecclesiology."<br /><br />I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying here, but it seems to be that the ecclesiology of the Continuing churches is not catholic.<br /><br />Please do set me straight if I have misinterpreted you words.<br /><br />In short, though, you seem to have given very short shrift to the Continuum, and I am curious to know why.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Albion Land, Host<br /><br />http://anglicancontinuum.blogspot.comAlbion Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14423168351697120421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-33547165054007107522007-02-02T01:15:00.000-05:002007-02-02T01:15:00.000-05:00Trevor - Yes, the Prayerbook was a major source of...Trevor - Yes, the Prayerbook was a major source of unity. The problem is that both the Revisionists and the Evangelicals have taken to ignoring the Prayerbook when it does not suit them. In the UK, some of the Anglo-Catholics are even worse, using Roman instead of Anglican liturgical forms. An increasing unwillingness to adhere to the Prayerbook is both a symptom and a cause of the unraveling we are experiencing.<br /><br />Liturgy is also a major factor in Orthodox unity. For the past 300 years, all Orthodox jurisdictions have followed the Byzantine Rite as their liturgical standard (though some jurisdictions have revived various Western rites as options for convert congregations).<br /><br />As for what pulls Orthodox churches apart, it's usually petty things like national pride and personal vanity, though occasionally it can result from over-investment in idiosyncratic teachings and practices. I am already composing a post on this subject that should appear within the next few days.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-78358955693410171162007-02-01T20:55:00.000-05:002007-02-01T20:55:00.000-05:00I'm neither Episcopalian nor Anglican, and unlikel...I'm neither Episcopalian nor Anglican, and unlikely to ever become one, but I've been following politics in the Anglican Communion since I worked at the bookstore at VTS in 1992-3. I've always been intrigued by the diversity in the AC. Evangelicals, Liberals, Anglo-Catholics and others seemed to be able to live together. I asked a seminarian once how they all managed to hang together. What did they have in common? His answer was, with no irony or attempt to be humourous: "the prayer book". He didn't mention it at the time, but there was another unifying factor, that of history, and a general tradition of tolerance. <br />It saddens me more than a bit, as I watch from outside, to see all that unraveling. "The center cannot hold", but I wonder, what is "slouching towards Bethlehem"?<br />My own community (the Christadelphians) is no paragon of unity, despite the many things our various fragments have in common. Much ink has been spilled on efforts to restore unity, but also to deter it.<br />What keeps people together? What pushes them apart? Many answers, but still a mystery.<br />I'm less familiar with the Orthodox Church(es). What keeps them together...every country at least has its own Church? What sorts of things are pushing them apart?<br /><br />Anyways, I hope that you will find a better spiritual home in the Orthodox Church.<br /><br />grace and peace,<br />ntbAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-17163448720259330712007-01-30T22:45:00.000-05:002007-01-30T22:45:00.000-05:00Why not wait for an Anglican Province to be formed...<i>Why not wait for an Anglican Province to be formed in the USA?</i><br /><br />I could ask you the same thing.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-22027136830357104692007-01-30T22:43:00.000-05:002007-01-30T22:43:00.000-05:00Affecting events is not an end in itself. It would...Affecting events is not an end in itself. It would be preferable if events would just play out in our favor (as we have every right to expect!) without our having to do anything about it. If the processes laid out in the Windsor Report and Archbishop Rowan's reflection had simply been allowed to take their course, our future might look pretty good. We could look forward to a relatively clean break between the orthodox Anglican remnant and the revisionist Episcopalian rump in the US, with the former constituting the local province of the Anglican Communion and the former forming the core of a new break-away denomination.<br /><br />But the Evangelicals have successfully sabotaged all of this. Instead of a united Anglican province in the US, we are looking at the likelihood of a dozen or so competing jurisdictions, each answering to a different foreign archbishop, each plotting its own strategy and pursuing its own agenda.<br /><br />If I thought that sort of divergence were conducive to the practice of catholic Anglicanism I would have joined one of the so-called Continuing Churches long ago. But, in fact, I think it is incompatible with catholic ecclesiology.<br /><br />The various Eastern Orthodox jurisdictions in North America have been working slowly and painstakingly towards unification for at least the past decade, and they will probably be at it for at least two more decades. Anglicans, meanwhile, are hurtling themselves headlong in the opposite direction, creating just the kind of jurisdictional patchwork that the Orthodox are trying to overcome.<br /><br />It appears to me that it could be a long time before there is a united Anglican province in the US that has the cohesion necessary to be recognized by Canterbury - or to make a plausible claim of catholicity.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-34473157864128385242007-01-29T18:48:00.000-05:002007-01-29T18:48:00.000-05:00Why not wait for an Anglican Province to be forme...Why not wait for an Anglican Province to be formed in the USA? i left ECUSA when my priest decided he couldn't stay any longer, and we are now under the Bishop of Bolivia. But we are looking forward to having our own Bishop and our diocese in the very near future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-91449074000287107992007-01-29T18:32:00.000-05:002007-01-29T18:32:00.000-05:00...there is no future for those of our ilk in Angl...<i>...there is no future for those of our ilk in Anglicanism.</i><br /><br />But what does "future" mean here? In the context of your comments, one is almost impelled to read it as "ability to affect the course of organizational events."<br /><br />*So* American. :)<br /><br />take care, :)<br /><br />JohnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com