tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post2887340986595881378..comments2023-09-30T10:53:50.373-04:00Comments on Two Natures: Archbishop Rowan and ShariaArimatheanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-30993286823115963412008-03-10T16:43:00.000-04:002008-03-10T16:43:00.000-04:00Two recent issues of "Sightings," published by the...Two recent issues of "Sightings," published by the Martin Marty Center at the University of Chicago, addressed Abp. Rowan's lecture. First, Marty himself wrote a short article, "<A HREF="http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2008/0225.shtml" REL="nofollow">On Rowan Williams</A>," in which he cited the views of the editors of <I>The Economist</I>. Second, John Witte, Jr., used the archbishop's lecture as a jumping-off point for exploration of the growing diversification of marriage in "<A HREF="http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2008/0228.shtml" REL="nofollow">The Frontiers of Marital Pluralism</A>."Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-84595621104739040292008-03-03T00:07:00.000-05:002008-03-03T00:07:00.000-05:00Mari comments: Who is supposed to yield and why? I...Mari comments: <I>Who is supposed to yield and why? In a multi-cultural society differing rights will conflict, and it doesn't help if the dominate culture is being wishy washy and won't defend its own members or its foundations.</I><BR/><BR/>In this instance, one must ask just what the dominant culture is. Archbishop Rowan's critics could not agree on this. The Bishop of Rochester's response assumed the roots of the English legal tradition are Judeo-Christian, while leaders of the Conservative Party assumed those roots are secular. They both thought they were defending the status quo against inroads of Sharia, but they can't agree on the extent to which the status quo already accommodates Christianity. This disagreement proves +Rowan's point - the question of how and whether religious faith and practice are to be legally accommodated is overdue for serious consideration and explicit legal treatment in the UK.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-26670961766571771432008-02-13T22:29:00.000-05:002008-02-13T22:29:00.000-05:00I am willing to buy that the Archbishop earned his...I am willing to buy that the Archbishop earned his stripes as a bright academic. And yet we are taught there is a reason many distinguish between academic learning and wisdom... and this sad issue attests to that in spades. <BR/><BR/>But it was indeed his brilliance, his writing, and insight that earned him the appointment. After all, he's supposed to be the "intellectual filler" between the next "evangelical builder" the Queen appoints to run her church. (Clearly can't happen soon enough - if there's to be a foundation stone left! - but that's a separate... though related story).<BR/><BR/>I also know that sometimes we can outsmart ourselves and succumb to believing that we can nuance circumstances and endeavor to please the opinions of men... only to falter in applying ourselves to our more pressing responsibilities.... which then tend to fray from inattention. Been there, done that. In the end, we occasionally learn the merit of keeping our noses where they belong. Maybe not the first time, or second time mind you... but e-ven-tu-al-ly. It's never pretty when it happens... as it has here. Nothing new in this. Still, you gotta feel for the guy.... but maybe only so far.James the Thickheadedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128470567186118742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-66356997752780385572008-02-13T17:14:00.000-05:002008-02-13T17:14:00.000-05:00The Bishop of Durham, N.T. Wright, weighs in on th...The Bishop of Durham, N.T. Wright, weighs in on the controversy . . .<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/nicholas_t_wright/2008/02/a_serious_issue_that_requires.html" REL="nofollow">A Serious Issue that Requires Sensitivity</A><BR/><BR/>"The astonishing misrepresentation of Archbishop Rowan in virtually all newspapers over the last few days, and the scorn and anger which this has fueled, have caused many people within the church to ask what on earth is going on. The issues are complex, but let me try to highlight the key points. . . ."Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-86335100906598103372008-02-11T16:10:00.000-05:002008-02-11T16:10:00.000-05:00I found this interesting comment on Abp. Rowan's l...I found this interesting comment on Abp. Rowan's lecture on the Lapido Media Blog:<BR/>"The Archbishop's Bomb":<BR/><BR/>http://blog.lapidomedia.com/2008/02/08/the-archbishop%e2%80%99s-bomb/Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-86481428857006766232008-02-11T15:40:00.000-05:002008-02-11T15:40:00.000-05:00Maybe the Archbishop should stick up for the right...<I>Maybe the Archbishop should stick up for the rights of Christians before worrying over the Muslims!</I><BR/><BR/>While his lecture was framed in terms of accommodating Muslims, since that was the topic he was given to speak on, he also mentioned accommodation of the consciences of Christians. He specifically cited the exemption given to Catholic adoption agencies from the requirement to give equal consideration to gay would-be adopters.Arimatheanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783088995172601340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-60247271875920915952008-02-09T14:22:00.000-05:002008-02-09T14:22:00.000-05:00I read the piece and interpret it as, "my this is ...I read the piece and interpret it as, "my this is sure complex, we should yammer on about this and how complex it is." In his example of the Muslim woman at Mark & Sparks, what of the right of the owner or the shopper, or the distributer? I sense a contract violation there. Who is supposed to yield and why? In a multi-cultural society differing rights will conflict, and it doesn't help if the dominate culture is being wishy washy and won't defend its own members or its foundations. It shouldn't be oppressive or unyeilding but it should be able to make a stand, which I don't trust European society to do.Marihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12378722789147387229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6581933610433229582.post-61521955383723617802008-02-09T01:21:00.000-05:002008-02-09T01:21:00.000-05:00Rowan Williams is being borked.Or Borged (and I ha...<I>Rowan Williams is being borked.</I><BR/><BR/>Or Borged (and I hang my head in shame for that horrible Star Trek reference...)<BR/><BR/>Maybe the Archbishop should stick up for the rights of Christians before worrying over the Muslims!<BR/><BR/>A better statement for him to make would have been to demand the Saudis decriminalize the act of carrying a Bible in public! (Or, for that matter, of being a Christian).<BR/><BR/>The Christian world has been catering to Muslims for a very long time now. I think it's long over due for a little reciprocation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00265468732588320935noreply@blogger.com